Tonight I am goinq to Apple to see if they will fix it. I do not think that they will. But I did read on the internet today that the 1st generation iPods will be worth something in the future, I hope they are right. I have found a method that may fix my battery problem, but I still have the "whirring" hard drive problem to figure out though. Cell group tonight went well tonight, and I can't wait to rockclimb tomorrow.